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Metrics for job quality, mobility, and equity

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In this second interview of the “17 Rooms” podcast, Marcela Escobari and Ethan Rouen discuss elevating the “S” in ESG through a streamlined set of firm-level metrics that capture job quality and economic mobility. Escobari, senior fellow at the Center for Sustainable Development at The Brookings Institution, and Rouen, professor at Harvard Business School, moderated Room 8, alongside Otis Rolley of The Rockefeller Foundation during the 2021 17 Rooms flagship process. Room 8 is focused on Sustainable Development Goal number 8 on Decent Work and Economic Growth.

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“17 Rooms” is a podcast about actions, insights, and community for the Sustainable Development Goals and the people driving them. The podcast is co-hosted by John McArthur—senior fellow and director of the Center for Sustainable Development at The Brookings Institution, and Zia Khan—senior vice president for innovation at The Rockefeller Foundation.

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Ethan Rouen

Assistant Professor of Business Administration - Harvard Business School

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