ROBERT NOVAK, HOST: Paul Light, you had a column in today's "USA Today" in which you took issue with the Homeland Security Office created by the president. You are a former Senate staffer. And to all due respect, I perceive the not-invented-here syndrome there. What you are saying is that the president, who has the power, has made Governor Ridge a cabinet member but you are saying that if he were to be made a cabinet member by the Senate, that would magically confer on him power to do this job.

Paul Light: I'm basically saying the president could make each one of us at table a cabinet member for all that's worth. Basically what I'm saying is that Governor Ridge doesn't have authorities that would come from statute in order to force agencies to talk to him.

He has no authority to command budget. He has no authority to command personnel. He doesn't have the stature that comes with Senate confirmation. We have all the symbols of power, including access to the president, but we have none of the reality of the power there. I think that comes from statute, not from executive order.

Novak: Mr. Light, I smell a fish. The fish is the bureaucratic fish of people not liking a newcomer coming in. I would like you to listen to something that Governor Ridge said on his swearing in.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) THOMAS RIDGE, DIRECTOR OF HOMELAND DEFENSE: We must be task oriented. The only turf we should be worried about protecting is the turf we stand on.

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NOVAK: Isn't that the real problem? It's not a problem of whether he's confirmed by the Senate, whether he has statutory authority. It's that a lot of people—and I hope you don't represent them—in the bureaucracy don't like somebody intruding on their little domains.

Light: I would like to see him in a much stronger position. In fact, I don't understand why the White House doesn't want to give him even the powers associated with the drug czar. We talk about the drug czar here, but Tom Ridge doesn't even have the minimal authorities the drug czar has.

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